Re: At Large bids

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Posted by Coach on January 28, 2025 at 07:33:57:

In Reply to: Re: At Large bids posted by g on January 27, 2025 at 15:39:11:

: : : : : : : As the season winds down with the new playoff system , will there be any at large bids for teams that don’t qualify automatically ?

: : : : : : 2 per division

: : : : : Is that an average or are two guaranteed per division? In volleyball the higher divisions had more at-large bids

: : : : 2 in each division

: : : Are we sure it's not 3? I believe it is 3 no?

: : Where is this stated? Why is there a hard rule on at large bids if the goal is to have true competitive equity? Why would a team in an outstanding league not get included at higher divisions vs a team in an average one at the lower divisions?

: There is nothing stated specifically in the blue book regarding at-large, at all that I saw, other than .500+ record. There were 0-2 at-large bids per division for girls volleyball. I would think you take the total number of automatic qualifiers and looks at where it is relative to a multiple of 32 (minus the open division), and figure it out from there. If you're 11 short of a multiple of 32, then there'll be 11 at-large bids, and I would assume they just start at the highest ranked one's and work their way down. If they have like 2 over the multiple, then there will be 2 byes.

: Could it be more complicated than that? Sure, but I don't see why it'd need to be.

You are looking at it wrong. They are not going straight 32 teams each division. You have to encompass all auto qualifiers and many are way down there on the list. So you have the highest rated 2 at large make it in each group of 32 auto qualifiers and then start again at the next auto qualifier. A division also can't start with an at large as the 1 seed. So even division 1 will have a few teams miss out that if they lost a few more games would have made the playoffs in division 2. If there was a tweak to be made I would say it's giving the top divisions more at large bids and the bottom 2 divisions probably shouldn't have any. If you look at the rankings down there it's hard to find many with a winning record that don't automatically qualify. So cif will have to decide to either give a bye or slide everyone down a spot and let another team make it in a higher division.

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Comments: : : : : : : : : As the season winds down with the new playoff system , will there be any at large bids for teams that don’t qualify automatically ? : : : : : : : 2 per division : : : : : : Is that an average or are two guaranteed per division? In volleyball the higher divisions had more at-large bids : : : : : 2 in each division : : : : Are we sure it's not 3? I believe it is 3 no? : : : Where is this stated? Why is there a hard rule on at large bids if the goal is to have true competitive equity? Why would a team in an outstanding league not get included at higher divisions vs a team in an average one at the lower divisions? : : There is nothing stated specifically in the blue book regarding at-large, at all that I saw, other than .500+ record. There were 0-2 at-large bids per division for girls volleyball. I would think you take the total number of automatic qualifiers and looks at where it is relative to a multiple of 32 (minus the open division), and figure it out from there. If you're 11 short of a multiple of 32, then there'll be 11 at-large bids, and I would assume they just start at the highest ranked one's and work their way down. If they have like 2 over the multiple, then there will be 2 byes. : : Could it be more complicated than that? Sure, but I don't see why it'd need to be. : You are looking at it wrong. They are not going straight 32 teams each division. You have to encompass all auto qualifiers and many are way down there on the list. So you have the highest rated 2 at large make it in each group of 32 auto qualifiers and then start again at the next auto qualifier. A division also can't start with an at large as the 1 seed. So even division 1 will have a few teams miss out that if they lost a few more games would have made the playoffs in division 2. If there was a tweak to be made I would say it's giving the top divisions more at large bids and the bottom 2 divisions probably shouldn't have any. If you look at the rankings down there it's hard to find many with a winning record that don't automatically qualify. So cif will have to decide to either give a bye or slide everyone down a spot and let another team make it in a higher division.

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Comments:	: : : : : : : : As the season winds down with the new playoff system , will there be any at large bids for teams that don’t qualify automatically ? : : : : : : : 2 per division : : : : : : Is that an average or are two guaranteed per division? In volleyball the higher divisions had more at-large bids : : : : : 2 in each division : : : : Are we sure it's not 3? I believe it is 3 no? : : : Where is this stated? Why is there a hard rule on at large bids if the goal is to have true competitive equity? Why would a team in an outstanding league not get included at higher divisions vs a team in an average one at the lower divisions? : : There is nothing stated specifically in the blue book regarding at-large, at all that I saw, other than .500+ record. There were 0-2 at-large bids per division for girls volleyball. I would think you take the total number of automatic qualifiers and looks at where it is relative to a multiple of 32 (minus the open division), and figure it out from there. If you're 11 short of a multiple of 32, then there'll be 11 at-large bids, and I would assume they just start at the highest ranked one's and work their way down. If they have like 2 over the multiple, then there will be 2 byes. : : Could it be more complicated than that? Sure, but I don't see why it'd need to be. : You are looking at it wrong. They are not going straight 32 teams each division. You have to encompass all auto qualifiers and many are way down there on the list. So you have the highest rated 2 at large make it in each group of 32 auto qualifiers and then start again at the next auto qualifier. A division also can't start with an at large as the 1 seed. So even division 1 will have a few teams miss out that if they lost a few more games would have made the playoffs in division 2. If there was a tweak to be made I would say it's giving the top divisions more at large bids and the bottom 2 divisions probably shouldn't have any. If you look at the rankings down there it's hard to find many with a winning record that don't automatically qualify. So cif will have to decide to either give a bye or slide everyone down a spot and let another team make it in a higher division.

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